My podcast series Kitchen Conversations aims to open up the mysterious and vague ‘Eastern Block’ to a broader, international audience. Each episode is devoted to one artist exploring their interest and urgency to create within the framework of the post-Soviet sphere. I take after Madina Tlostanova that we should delink from the losing battle and from the logic of ‘catching up’ in the sphere of knowledge production. This podcast looks at how we can be aware of other models (especially non-Western ones) – but instead of replicating them, create new models accurately fitting the specificity of our current conditions.